Meg Ryan’s Awkward 2003 Interview Has Fans Calling Out The Host’s Insulting Treatment Of Her

Sir Michael Parkinson has had a brilliant career — but not all his interviews were unqualified successes. His encounter with actress Meg Ryan in 2003, for example, was not only catastrophic, but it was perhaps one of his most memorable exchanges to date. The whole affair was a cringe-fest from start to finish, and now it’s resurfacing again after all those years. 

Squeaky clean

Film aficionados will probably remember Meg Ryan from her ’90s hits such as Sleepless in Seattle and Joe Versus the Volcano alongside America’s dad, Tom Hanks. Well, her off-screen reputation didn’t stay as squeaky clean, especially following her face-to-face with Parkinson, affectionately known to British TV viewer as “Parky.” But what could have gone so wrong between them that viewers still remember well over a decade later? 

Duel of words

The interview started out bad and only got worse as the two performed a passive-aggressive duel of words ending in stony silence. Not even the other guests could break the tension! Since that day Parkinson has revisited the moment time and again — including with other journalists — to try to deconstruct exactly where it all went wrong. 

Critical flop

Is it a coincidence that the exchange occurred during a difficult moment in Ryan’s life? Things weren’t going well for her romantically, and what’s more, the film she was ostensibly there to promote was 2003’s In the Cut. For those of you out of the loop, the thriller’s widely considered a critical flop. 

Blemished reputation

Although Ryan has played other parts since that fateful film, many believe it marked the end of the most successful phase of her career. You could even argue that her cringy conversation with Parkinson may have contributed. Yet there are those who believe her blemished reputation may not have even been Ryan’s fault. At least, not entirely.

Divided viewers

You see, when the interview first screened, many viewers considered Ryan’s responses and body language to be pretty one-sided. But since then, more information has surfaced that paints their conversation in a different light. Regardless, even at the time watchers were divided over who was actually the wronged party. 

Prudish morals

In 2006 a fan wrote, “Having just watched the interview on YouTube, it seems apparent to me that it was Parkinson who was being rude, not Ryan. It's hardly her fault that the man decided to go on the offensive from the start and enforce his prudish ‘morals’ on her.”

Extremely harsh

“Totally agree,” another replied. “I have also seen the video for the first time, and I’m outraged and embarrassed by Parkinson. Until now, I’d always assumed from the editing footage shown on British TV and media… that it was Meg Ryan who was rude, not Parkinson. He was extremely harsh to her, criticizing her life, personality, and especially the film.”

Frosty reception

But of course, every argument has two sides. Parkinson still had supporters blaming Ryan’s frosty reception squarely on the actress. A 2007 comment read, “Why are people rewriting this article to make it more sympathetic towards Ryan? I’ve seen the interview, I saw it live on TV the day it aired and Meg Ryan was absolutely rude.”

Act interested

“She is supposed to be a professional,” the fan continued. “She’s an actress, couldn’t she act interested?” The third camp of people chose neither side, taking the view that Parkinson and Ryan shared the blame. A 2007 viewer explained, “Quite frankly, I thought that they were both quite rude to one another.”

New information

The real question is, has time changed any of these opinions? After all, people are still talking about the incident today, especially since new information has made the subject relevant again. If comments about the interview posted on BBC Studio’s YouTube channel are anything to go by, people are more sympathetic to Ryan than they originally were. 

Influence

A viewer wrote in 2021, “Like many of the post[er]s here, I’d never actually watched the interview [all] the way through, and was always under the impression that Meg was at fault. Shows what influence the BBC have.” Meanwhile, a 2020 commenter said, “I’ve seen the whole interview, strange that it’s nowhere to be seen.” 

Conflict

“Initially, Meg gives clear, well-thought-out answers and comes across as very intelligent,” the viewer continued. “Parkinson is truly awful to her.” Yet Parkinson revealed he and Ryan were in conflict even before the interview aired, as website thejournal.ie reported in 2016. He claimed they didn’t get on from the moment they met. 

Introductions

The journalist described how he met Ryan in her dressing room to introduce himself prior to the interview. Apparently, Ryan kept her entourage at the room’s far side and facing away from her. “I started looking at her and thought, ‘I don’t like you very much,’” Parkinson said. “And she was looking at me thinking, ‘I don’t like you very much.’” 

Ignorance

Parkinson also admitted he didn’t appreciate the way Ryan reacted to his other guests. He told newspaper the Daily Mirror in 2016 how she had ignored them. “But the thing that really did it,” Parkinson recalled, “was I had on the guest beforehand, and she was sitting behind the set watching it on a monitor there, so she knew damn well what was going on.”

Trouble in paradise

Parkinson went on to call her “a twerp” and cited her romantic life as a possible reason for their clash. He explained, “Russell Crowe had walked out on her so that didn’t help her mood. And apart from which, she’s one of those kinds of actresses who [is] a neurotic.” 

Ruined from the start

By Parkinson’s reports, the interview was fated to crash from the beginning. So is the true story behind the disastrous interview so one-sided? You’d think so from the acclaimed journalist’s past remarks, informed by his popular career as a TV show host and the breadth of his experience. 

“Chat-show king”

Parkinson, who Sky News called “the chat-show king,” has a history in television spanning 800 shows with roughly 2,000 televised interviews under his belt. His infamous clash with Ryan even happened on the show Parkinson, named after himself. It ran from 1971 right up to 2007 and won four awards, including a BAFTA. 

Acting credentials

Ryan’s interview isn’t the only controversy emerging from the Parkinson recordings, either. For example, his 1975 interview with Helen Mirren hasn’t aged well. She was working for the Royal Shakespeare Company at the time, but the exchange was less about her acting credentials and more about how physically attractive she was. 

Physical attributes

From the start, Parkinson introduced Mirren as the “sex queen” of the company. He also questioned whether Mirren’s “physical attributes” — clearly implying her breasts — prevented the audience from taking her seriously. The actress told Flaunt magazine in 2009 that she was the one who was criticized as “argumentative” for the conversation, while her host walked away untarnished.

No grasp

Mirren told Flaunt, “I don’t want to diss Michael, but he did blow it that once because, you know, he didn’t know any different. He never saw it. I mentioned it to him again years later, and he never saw what was wrong with it. He never could quite grasp it.” 

Good television

Mirren also referred to Parkinson as a “sexist old fart.” In 2016 newspaper The Independent asked Parkinson if he felt an apology was in order, but he refused. “I don’t want to,” Parksinson said, “nor does she. I don’t regard what happened there as being anything other than good television.”

Witnesses

“There is no need to apologize,” he went on. “Not at all. She didn’t want to do an interview and after about ten minutes, I didn’t want to interview her. There’s no problem, it’s not World War III for God’s sake.” Sounds surprisingly similar to the Ryan conversation, which fellow guest stars and fashionistas Susannah Constantine and Trinny Woodall witnessed at first hand. 

Painful

According to the magazine section of the Daily Express, the pair related how they could do nothing but watch the disaster happen. “We couldn’t believe what we were hearing,” they said. “It was so painful.” Apparently, Parkinson even whispered some expletives to the pair behind Ryan’s back, revealing just what he thought of the actress.

Off-guard

So what transpired between Ryan and Parkinson that made the interview so memorable for more than a decade? Well, watch the footage online, and you’ll see that it dies before it begins when Parkinson tells Ryan she once said acting “wasn’t in her nature.” The question catches the actress off-guard, and Parkinson pursues the issue by asking, “Are you denying you said that?” 

Nervous

Ryan doesn’t seem to remember saying it but concedes it sounds like her. An awkward back and forth follows, with Ryan trying to explain how cameras make her nervous and Parkinson challenging why she became an actor in the first place if that was indeed the case. Ryan doesn’t have an explanation, though. 

Parry and strike

“I don’t know,” the actress says, “Maybe you can help me with that?” Parkinson offers no respite. “No, I couldn’t,” he counters. “It’s up to you to debate and tell me.” Ryan awkwardly parries the strike and explains how even though she enjoys acting, she doesn’t feel like a natural. So Parkinson hits her with another question. 

Riposte

The host jabs at her fondness for the work by saying, “But you don’t like the spotlight that goes with it? You can’t have one without the other, can you? You can’t do what you do and be famous and well-known, without…?” His pause offers enough time for Ryan’s riposte.

A problem

Ryan hits back with, “Well, you can certainly be an actor and not be a movie star.” But Parkinson continues his probing. “But you are a movie star by choice?” he responds, to which Ryan simply says, “Seemingly.” The audience lets out an uncomfortable laugh as the host replies, “So, you’ve got a problem.” 

Fell into acting

He doggedly elaborates, “And it seems one that’s not going to be one resolved on this show, either.” Parkinson then changes tack and asks about Ryan’s training as a journalist. The actress reveals that she didn’t complete her education, and instead fell into acting to pay for her tuition. Apparently, this shaped the course of her transition to celebrity.

Coup de grace

Parkinson finally unleashes his coup de grâce by asking Ryan what kind of journalist she would have made, enquiring “You’re wary of journalists, you’re wary of me, you're wary of being interviewed. You can see it in the way you sit and the way you are… in other words, if you were me, what would you do now?” 

Wrap it up

“Just wrap it up,” Ryan responds to more nervous tittering from the audience. Guest stars Trinny and Susannah also try to lighten the mood by commenting on Ryan’s shoes, but their attempts fall flat with a short reply of “Thank you” from the movie star. It’s very hard to watch, even now. 

Christmas cards

Over the years, both Ryan and Parkinson have referenced the interview at varying times. Ryan called Parkinson “a nut” and he responded with jokes. “I still send her Christmas cards, of course,” he told the Daily Mirror in 2006. “Actually, we’re secret friends. She fancies me, she told me that.”

No love lost

His jibe didn’t end there, though. “She said, ‘Michael, I would leave home for a man like you,’” he laughed. It doesn’t seem like there’s any love lost between the two, but something’s shifted in recent years. In 2021 Parkinson told magazine the Radio Times that he concedes it wasn’t entirely Ryan’s fault.

Pompous

Parkinson mused, “I wish I’d dealt with [Ryan] in a more courteous manner… I was quite obviously angry with her, and it’s not my business to be angry towards the guests. I came across as kind of pompous, and I could have done better.” So what would he say to her now, if they were face to face?

Surprise

The journalist revealed he would say, “I’m sorry… But you must understand that you played a part in it too.” That’s quite a surprise considering Parkinson’s previous stance, but as video comments have suggested, perhaps there’s more to the story. Ryan hinted at some of the unedited content in an interview with Marie Claire magazine in 2006.

Disapproving father

Ryan said Parkinson judged her for In the Cut’s nude content, the film which she was there to promote. “I don’t even know the man,” she explained. “That guy was like some disapproving father! It’s crazy. I don’t know what he is to you guys, but he’s a nut.”

Back off

“I felt like he was berating me for being naked in the movie,” Ryan continued. “He said something like, ‘You should go back to doing what you were doing.’ And I thought, are you like a disapproving dad right now? I’m not even related to you. Back off, buddy. I was so offended by him.” 

Respectfully disagree

Ryan concluded, “I had to do 20 minutes straight with this guy, and I could either walk off — which probably wouldn’t be good — or try to disagree with him respectfully.” Without being behind the scenes, there’s no way to know who was truly at fault. And maybe the blame doesn’t solely lie with any one person. 

Put to rest

Regardless of who was behind the bust-up, the real question is where the celebrities go from here. And that remains to be seen, considering Ryan has yet to respond to Parkinson’s recent apology. But let’s hope this finally finishes the debate and the whole ordeal can be put to rest. This will go down as one of the most awkward celebrity interviews of all time. But there’s a lot more where that came from...

Amy Poehler

Thanks to the likes of Parks and Recreation, Baby Mama, and Sisters, Amy Poehler has earned a reputation as one of the most hilarious comedic actresses around. Little wonder, then, that she dismissed a query at an Emmy Awards roundtable about the belief that men are funnier than women. Poehler let out an “Ugh” before adding, “This question is boring.”

Jonah Hill

“Are you the fat guy in Hollywood still?” You can’t blame Jonah Hill for getting a little defensive about the very rude question he was asked during a Georgia Tech chat promoting Allen Gregory in 2011. In response to the tactless interviewer, the animated sitcom’s star fired back, “Do you have any other questions that are smart?”

Matt Damon

In 2017 Matt Damon headed out on the Save Our Schools march with his mom in the U.S. capital. Perhaps not the most appropriate time to question the teaching profession, then. But that’s what one camera operator did when he asked The Martian star, “Aren’t ten percent of teachers bad, though?” Damon retaliated, “Maybe you’re a [bad] cameraman.” Although, obviously, he said something much harsher than “bad.”

Scarlett Johansson

Scarlett Johansson appeared to point out the sexism on the press junket circuit in 2012 when she was asked about her diet. The actress subsequently turned to her The Avengers co-star Robert Downey Jr. to pose the rhetorical query, “How come you get the really interesting existential question, and I get the rabbit food question?” To her credit, Johansson did end up giving a brief answer before trying to move the conversation on.

Jim Carrey

You can always rely on Jim Carrey to do things a little differently. In 2017 the Ace Ventura star rocked up to New York City’s Fashion Week where a reporter from TV show E! News asked him exactly what he was doing there. The rubber-faced actor replied, “There’s no meaning to any of this. I wanted to find the most meaningless thing that I could come to and join.”

Jennifer Lawrence

“What are you wearing?” is always the most popular question when it comes to the red carpet of the Academy Awards. But Jennifer Lawrence had no time to talk about fashion when CNN asked about her Oscars outfit of choice in 2013. The Hunger Games star replied, “What do you mean? Like, this is the top, and this is the bottom.”

Dakota Johnson

This was undoubtedly one of the more memorable chat show interviews of recent years. In 2019 Ellen put guest Dakota Johnson on the spot after asking why she hadn’t received an invitation to her last two birthday parties. The Fifty Shades of Grey star soon silenced the host when she replied that invites had been sent out but that Ellen simply hadn’t shown up.

Harrison Ford

You have to admire Harrison Ford for simply telling it like it is. During a 2015 Reddit AMA, the Star Wars actor was asked by an enthusiastic fan whether Greedo or Han Solo shot first in the now-legendary Mos Eisley Cantina scene. The man who played the latter didn’t even try hiding his apathy, replying, “I don’t know, and I don’t care.”

Joan Rivers

Joan Rivers sure enjoyed dishing out the style critiques as the host of Fashion Police. But in 2014 the funnywoman proved that she didn’t like receiving them. During a promotional chat on CNN for her memoir Diary of A Mad Diva, Rivers was asked why she was sporting a fur coat on its cover. The comedienne turned the tables on host Fredricka Whitfield, enquiring, “Are you wearing leather shoes? Then shut up.”

Natasha Lyonne

In 2015 Natasha Lyonne hit the promo circuit for the latest season of Orange Is the New Black. And she didn’t take kindly to being asked whether the Netflix hit’s “beautiful” cast could keep a lid on the spitefulness and back-biting. The actress replied, “Despite the great beauty on the show, everybody is professional and talented and very capable. So, I don’t think anybody is thinking of something as meaningless as their beauty when they’re at work, certainly not for this show.”

Russell Brand

Russell Brand just wasn’t having any of it when the hosts of MSNBC’s Morning Joe started to poke fun at his British accent. The wild-haired comedian accused the team of “casual objectification” during his 2013 appearance before asking, “Is this what you all do for a living?” And Brand became even more irate as the presenters continued to talk about him as though he wasn’t in the room.

Quentin Tarantino

Quentin Tarantino was in no mood to accept any connections between the violence in his movies and in real life when asked by TV news anchor Krishnan Guru-Murthy in 2013. The Django Unchained director told the Channel 4 host, “I refuse your question. I’m not your slave and you’re not my master. You can’t make me dance to your tune... I’m saying I refuse.”

Samuel L. Jackson

KTLA’s TV news anchor Sam Rubin no doubt wanted the ground to swallow him up in 2014 when he mistook guest Samuel L. Jackson for another actor. The host asked the Pulp Fiction star about his appearance in a Super Bowl ad before being put straight that he was thinking of Laurence Fishburne. Jackson said, “We may all be black and famous, but we don’t all look alike! You’re busted.”

Rihanna

Rihanna certainly put one British TV news interviewer in her place when she was asked about the state of her private life during a press conference to promote the movie Battleship. After attempting to butter up the multi-talented star, the ITN reporter then snuck in a query about the rumors linking her with Ashton Kutcher. Rihanna replied, “How disappointing was that question?”

Ariana Grande

During a 2015 interview at radio station Power 106, Ariana Grande was asked by hosts Eric D-Luz and Justin Credible whether she valued her phone or makeup more. The “7 Rings” singer sure wasn’t impressed with this line of questioning. She responded, “Is this what you think girls have trouble choosing between? Is this men assuming that that’s what girls would have to choose between?”

Lauren Conrad

Props to Lauren Conrad for thinking on her feet during a chat with SiriusXM in 2012. After drawing the question out from a mystery bag, The Hills star was forced to answer, “What’s your favorite position?” But swerving the obviously intended sexual preference topic, Conrad responded, “CEO.” Even the host applauded the reality star for her quick wit.

Keira Knightley

After winning a Hollywood Film Award for her role in The Imitation Game, Keira Knightley was asked how she managed to balance a successful career with a private life. It’s fair to say that the actress didn’t appreciate having to deal with such a question. She fired back, “Are you going to ask all the men that tonight too?”

Robert Smith

As the frontman of gloomy goth rockers The Cure, Robert Smith isn’t exactly renowned for his peppy disposition. The interviewer who bounced up to him on the red carpet of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2019 didn’t seem to be aware of this, though. When asked by an enthusiastic Carrie Keagan, “Are you as excited as I am?,” a deadpan Smith simply replied, “Umm, by the sounds of it, no.”

Mila Kunis

Seems like you want Mila Kunis fighting your corner if your acting credibility is ever called into question. While promoting romantic comedy Friends with Benefits in 2011, pop idol Justin Timberlake was asked why he’d decided to venture into the film world. His co-star fired back, “Well, what would you rather have him do?”

Tom Hardy

While hitting the promo circuit for Legend in 2015 Tom Hardy was rudely asked about his sexuality by a nosy reporter. As you’d expect, the actor didn’t think much of this line of questioning, answering, “What on earth are you talking about?” After the same man added that he wanted to know about his past, Hardy responded matter-of-factly, “Why?”

Daniel Radcliffe

Daniel Radcliffe’s attempts to distance himself from his boyish wizard past didn’t convince everyone. In 2014 a reporter for news agency the Associated Press asked the Harry Potter star about being a romantic lead of the unconventional kind. An irritated Radcliffe fired back, “What about me is unconventional, exactly?... The male population has had no problem [sensualizing] Emma Watson immediately.”

Alan Rickman

Alan Rickman famously played Hogwarts professor Severus Snape in the Harry Potter franchise. But that didn’t stop an interviewer on BBC show HARDtalk from asking the esteemed actor whether the movies were “worth the hype.” Rickman coolly replied, “Well, it’s worth any amount of hype to get children to read again.”

Taylor Swift

In 2015 Nancy O’Dell appeared to incur the wrath of Taylor Swift with a red carpet compliment about her appearance that slightly backfired. Ahead of the Grammy Awards ceremony, the Entertainment Tonight host told the multiple nominee, “I think you’re going to walk home with more than just a trophy tonight. I think lots of men.” A piqued Swift made it clear that wasn’t going to be the case, answering, “I’m not going to walk home with any men tonight.”

Jerry Seinfeld

Even the big guns can get it hopelessly wrong sometimes when it comes to interviewing celebs. In 2007 Larry King offended Jerry Seinfeld when he suggested that the star’s eponymous sitcom had been taken off-air by NBC. The comedian, who’d actually decided to bring the show to a close himself, fired back, “You think I got canceled? Is this still CNN? Do you know who I am? Geez, can we get my resume in here?”

Beyoncé

Long before Blue Ivy and twins Rumi and Sir came along, Beyoncé was asked by a nosy interviewer whether her partner was interested in having children. And you could say that the former Destiny’s Child singer didn’t appreciate this intrusive questioning. A clearly annoyed Queen Bey fired back, “Are you serious?”

Justin Bieber

Justin Bieber’s friendship with Harry Styles, a man renowned for his love of the older lady, proved to be no laughing matter in 2012. While appearing on a Detroit radio show, the pop idol was asked whether he worried about the One Direction star being around his mother. Bieber chose not to answer before snapping back, “I think you should worry about your mom, though.”

Mayim Bialik

Mayim Bialik had the perfect response when her intelligence was questioned on the red carpet of the 2013 SAG Awards. The Big Bang Theory actress was asked how many people genuinely believed that she could immediately solve complex math questions in the same manner as her sitcom character. Bialik answered, “Ummm. I was actually trained in calculus. For several years. I’m a neuroscientist.”

Christoph Waltz

Here’s a tip for any TV reporters interviewing Christoph Waltz: don’t question his career choices. In 2015 Good Morning Britain’s Charlotte Hawkins asked the Spectre star whether he’d had doubts about taking on a role in a James Bond film considering his Academy Awards credentials. Waltz sarcastically responded “Even when I came in here, I thought, ‘Hang on, do I need to do that? I am a double Oscar-winner!’”

Helen Mirren

Celebs having to deal with inappropriate questions certainly isn’t just a modern thing. During a 1975 appearance on British TV chat show Parkinson, Helen Mirren was asked whether her acting career had been hindered by her figure. The actress fired back, “Because serious actresses can’t have big bosoms, is that what you mean?”

Simone Biles

“You should smile more” is one of those remarks bound to get anyone wound up. But Simone Biles soon put Tom Bergeron in his place when he made a similar comment on Dancing with the Stars in 2017. Following a well-received performance, the host turned to the Olympian and said, “I was waiting for you to smile at some of the compliments. You didn’t.” The gymnast replied, “Smiling doesn’t win you gold medals.”

Lady Gaga

Lady Gaga has never been afraid to speak her mind. And she understandably took offense in 2009 when asked whether her provocative nature detracted from her music. The “Poker Face” singer retorted, “Not at all. I’ve got three number-one records and I’ve sold almost four million albums worldwide.” Gaga then commented on her love for the gay community for not posing such questions.

Harry Belafonte

Harry Belafonte had been hitting the promotional trail hard for his autobiography My Song in 2011. And at the age of 84, the legendary singer sure had earned a little nap. Unfortunately for KBAK’s Layla Santiago, Belafonte decided to get in a quick 40 winks just as he was about to be interviewed live on air. The anchor joked, “This is your wake-up call! Okay, I’ll tell you what, he's meditating.”

Charlie Sheen

In 2011 Charlie Sheen served up one of the most memorable interviews of the decade when he spoke to ABC News shortly after attending rehab. The Two and a Half Men star gave several quotable answers during the chat, claiming that the only drug now entering his body was “called Charlie Sheen.” The actor also shut down rumors about his mental health, insisting, “I’m not bipolar, I’m bi-winning.”

Gwen Stefani

Dua Lipa showed that she might be better off sticking to the singing when she filled in for Jimmy Fallon on his late-night chat show in 2020. During an interview with Gwen Stefani, the “New Rules” hitmaker inadvertently married her guest off. Lipa awkwardly referred to the No Doubt star’s boyfriend Blake Shelton as her spouse. But Stefani soon put her straight, answering, “Well, he’s not my husband. But that sounded cool when you said that.”

Anne Hathaway

One highly embarrassed entertainment reporter couldn’t apologize enough after appearing to offend Anne Hathaway during a press junket. The red-faced interviewer had asked the Oscar winner about losing weight in preparation to play Catwoman in The Dark Knight Rises. In response, a visibly shocked Hathaway immediately described him as a “forward young man.”

Amy Schumer

Amy Schumer couldn’t hide her contempt at the question she was asked while promoting Trainwreck on an Aussie radio station. KIIS FM’s Matt Tilley had described her film’s character as a skank during the frosty interview before insisting that he wasn’t trying to offend. Schumer responded, “Whatever you are trying to do, you are.” The comedienne also looked visibly irate in a publicity photo taken shortly after the chat.

Rashida Jones

Danielle Demski of TNT made an embarrassing faux pas while complimenting Rashida Jones on the SAG Awards red carpet in 2015. “You look like you’ve just come off an island or something, you’re very tan, very tropical,” she told the Parks and Recreation star. Jones wryly responded, “I mean, you know, I’m ethnic.”

Jesse Eisenberg

We can’t quite work out whether Jesse Eisenberg and Romina Puga were flirting or feuding during their chat together in 2013. In the heavily-edited clip for web series Say My Name, the Now You See Me actor seems both amused and irritated by the host’s list of demands. He later refers to Puga as the “Carrot Top of interviewers.”

Scarlett Johansson (Part Two)

You wouldn’t expect even one interviewer to have the gall to ask Scarlett Johansson about her underwear options during the filming of The Avengers. But during a 2012 press junket, nearly half a dozen reporters did. By the time the fifth question came in, Johansson had simply had enough. She demanded, “What is going on? Since when did people start asking each other in interviews about their underwear?”